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Innocence

  • Jul. 6th, 2008 at 7:23 PM
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How am I getting sucked into Fruits Basket again? How? (I feel, at this point, I should start to declaim in Latin but am, most regrettably, unable to do so. Any assistance to this end would be very much appreciated).

Title: Innocence
Rating: PG-13-ish?
Pairing: None, really. Tohru/Sohma? Or maybe just Tohru.

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She's trying her best to preserve what's left of her innocence. Uo-chan likes to tease her, call her "sweet, innocent Tohru," but that's because Uo-chan doesn't know. Tohru is never, ever going to tell her, either. To be fair - which Tohru naturally is - they didn't try to steal her innocence. It's just another part of their curse, and they're much more worried about people finding out than they are about Tohru's pure mind. Which, she tells herself, is as it should be.

 

It's just that she's seventeen, which is a difficult age to remain completely innocent at anyway. She lives with three boys - men - two boys and a man? - which most people would think means she's far, far from innocent. Even with all that, she thinks, she might have managed a bit better but for one thing: she's seen them all naked. Completely, utterly, stark-as-the-day-they-were-born naked. It doesn't matter how quickly she covers her eyes and turns around, each time it's like another image is burned into her eyes and mind and she is never, ever, going to be able to get rid of it.

 

Maybe, she thinks, it wouldn't be so bad if there were more girls (she loves all the junishi, and doesn't want them to change, but there aren't that many girls). It's not such a big deal when Kagura, or Kisa, or Rin transforms; a naked girl is still naked, but Tohru has had time to come to terms with the anatomy involved. After all, she's a girl, her mother was a girl, Uo-chan and Hana-chan are girls... which isn't to say that she's comfortable, but the sight of a naked girl doesn't destroy her innocence the way a boy does.

 

There are a lot more boys in the junishi, and they're far more careless than the girls are. Or maybe it's just that they're all equally comfortable around her, but the girls don't transform when they bump into her. In a way, she hopes that's the reason, but at the same time, she wishes they'd be more careful. One very quiet, secret part of her hopes they won't be.

 

It's that little secret part that tells Tohru her innocence is well and truly gone. It's gotten stronger as she's gotten older, and it thinks of the most horrid, fascinating things. Like what Yuki and Kyou will look like when they're older, or how Shigure looks now. Or who looks the best without their clothes on.

 

Not even that dark little part of her will rank the girls, although Rin is absolutely gorgeous, whatever she wears (as absolutely anyone can see). She won't rank Hiro in there, either - however hard he tries to be grown up, he's just a little boy. If he's anything like his relatives, though, in five or six years it won't matter how much younger he is than her. But, for now, she thinks of Hiro as a cute (prickly, sarcastic, pessimistic) little brother.

 

Sometimes the dark little part balks at considering Ritsu, as well, since he looks so much like a girl. But then an even darker part will remind her that, without his clothes on, Ritsu is very definitely a guy. A thin guy, yes, without much muscle, and a delicate build even when compared to his relatives, and long hair that Tohru is completely in awe and envy of. But still a guy. Not, however, a very high ranking one, at least as far as that dark little mind is concerned.

 

Then there's Momiji. He's adorable, and she loves him dearly, but it'll be another few years before he goes beyond cute. He's a shining ball of sunshine without the least bit of shame or modesty. She thinks it's largely his fault her innocence has been so corrupted: he was the one who kissed her the first time she met him, the one who insisted on sleeping with her when she still thought he was a little boy, the one who takes every opportunity to hug or snuggle with her (and then transform). But Momiji without his clothes is a lot like Momiji with his clothes, only there's a few more people shouting at him to stop whatever it is he's doing. He's not the sort of inspire torrid fantasies in a teenage girl, even one as corrupted as Tohru thinks she might be.

 

Ayame and Hatori, in contrast, most definitely are. Ayame might have long hair, a slim figure, and girly clothes (she's even seen him in a wedding dress) but that slimness comes from sleek muscles under luminous skin, not skinniness. He moves with a grace, and there's elegance in everything he does. He's the sort of person that, once you've seen them naked once, you cannot see them clothed without imagining it. Ayame is romance personified, and that he knows it only makes him more attractive. She thinks that his shop must do so well because what Ayame sells is romance, and there is nothing and no one more romantic than Ayame.

 

While Ayame inspires daydreams of candlelit dinners and walks on the beach and dancing late into the night, Hatori is the sort that inspires daydreams of an entirely different sort. He's larger than Ayame, less graceful, but he carries the extra size with self-possession. Hatori is not light, flighty romance - he's coiled, pure intensity, a cool demeanor with a hidden fire ready to burst out. Hatori is sexy. It's easy to imagine him being passionate and fierce - he's a dragon, after all - but his gentleness is even easier to remember. She's felt his hands on her before, when she's been injured; gentle, kind, careful not to cause her the least discomfort. Those memories make the daydreams even harder to banish.

 

There's no daydreams about Hatsuharu. Haru is, possibly, even sexier than Hatori, but that might just be because he's closer to her age, so she's less embarrassed to think of it. But Haru loves Yuki, and he loves Rin, and in a way he might sort of love Momiji. Somehow, this lifts him up, out of the realm of daydreams, and she (or at least, the dark little part of her mind) can appreciate him in an entirely aesthetic way.

 

It's about this time in her consideration of those responsible for her loss of innocence that Tohru always makes a startling, embarrassing discovery: she lives with the three sexiest Sohma men there are. And, since they're Sohma's, that means they might even be the sexiest men alive. It's quite enough to make a girl flush red all over. There's Yuki, the prince, who really is perfect in every way but still completely human, delicate yet strong, with gorgeous purple eyes. And Kyou, who's fierce and awkward, but sweet underneath, his skin tanned over hard muscles gained from his training. Finally, there's Shigure, the mature man with the wicked eyes, easy smile, and kind words, who calls her a princess and a flower and sometimes remembers to treat her like one.

 

The dark little part of her mind has come up with more fantasies than she can count involving these three. Some of them are innocent - a picnic, tea with Shigure, visiting Yuki's garden, sitting on the roof with Kyou, a trip to the onsen... many, in fact, are simply memories of the times she's spent with them. Others, that have grown more frequent of late, are far less innocent. Sometimes she finds herself grateful for the curse, which makes them impossible, although she feels guilty immediately afterwards.

 

When that sort of fantasy creeps into her head, the best way to get it out is good, clean work. The house is immaculate and sparkling, the food exquisite, in the face of her determination to preserve her disappearing innocence. She's wouldn't give up living with the Sohma's for anything, but she's not going to give up her purity without a fight either.

 

There was a fantastic smell drifting over from the kitchen. Shigure followed his nose, a slight grin on his face. Tohru's cooking, already amazing, had gotten even better over the last couple of weeks. He wondered about the reason.

 

It was about time for him to get a haircut, he thought. It didn't bother him too much most of the time, but when it was wet after his bath, like now, it hung in his eyes. Peeking in the kitchen, he pushed his hair out of his eyes so he could see his delightful little cook. "What are you making, my flower?" he asked.

 

Tohru turned to face him, a ready smile on her face. He watched with interest as she froze, turned bright red, and spun back to face the stove. "Food," she squeaked. "Rice. Fish." She sounded distinctly breathless.

 

Grinning, Shigure loosened his yukata a little more and went to wait for his dinner. It looked like he'd been right, and things were going to be a lot more fun from now on. He didn't mind in the least: you were only seventeen once, and Tohru-chan looked so cute when she was trying not to think perverted thoughts.

 

 

Comments

[info]rebeccasama wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2008 04:48 am (UTC)
Oh, this was great! You know, I've always wondered what Tohru thinks about seeing all those naked guys!
[info]adaliseranis wrote:
Jul. 11th, 2008 03:32 am (UTC)
I know what I would think, but Tohru is much sweeter and more innocent than I am. Which is what makes her so fun to corrupt ^_^
[info]anjelstar76 wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2008 06:08 pm (UTC)
Ohhhhhh ... I LOVED that! I could so imagine being in Tohru's place ... Of course, I did away with my innocence a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time ago (like before I left middle school). *evil grin* Hehe. Shigure is a bad, BAD man. ;O) *snickers* Great story.
[info]adaliseranis wrote:
Jul. 11th, 2008 03:35 am (UTC)
Thank ya! Yes, Shigure is a very, very bad man, which is probably why he's my favourite. Personally, I don't see how anyone can be as naive innocent as Tohru. But it's still fun.
[info]anjelstar76 wrote:
Jul. 11th, 2008 11:23 am (UTC)
Sometimes I think Tohru is in denial ... :O)) Perhaps she is scared of change, since her life has been so full of change since her toddler days. Poor girl. But ... it just takes one man to ... *ahem* ... awaken her. And she's got THREE! >;O))
[info]adaliseranis wrote:
Jul. 11th, 2008 12:04 pm (UTC)
I've never thought of it that way before. You might well be right. I'd always kind of thought it was just because she was so nice, and always saw the best in everyone (like her mother and Uo being in gangs - Tohru doesn't seem to have a problem with it, only with them being hurt).
[info]anjelstar76 wrote:
Jul. 11th, 2008 12:08 pm (UTC)
She is nice ... and does see the best in everyone. She is a genuinely good person. But sometimes I think she's too accommodating. I don't think she's spineless or anything like that ... not at all. I just think, as Kyo once told her, she needs to tell people what's on her mind ... speak up about stuff every once in a while.
[info]adaliseranis wrote:
Jul. 11th, 2008 01:34 pm (UTC)
Agreed. It's just that now you have me wondering if that's the only reason she's so sweetly complacent about living in a house with three men. I don't think it would be unreasonable to think that she acts the way she does both because she's nice and because she's afraid of change. She's certainly a well enough developed character - they all are.
[info]anjelstar76 wrote:
Jul. 11th, 2008 02:38 pm (UTC)
Agreed. Although, I have to admit that the darker part of my brain sometimes wants to believe that Tohru isn't as "innocent" as she seems to be sometimes. ;O) I wouldn't mind living alone with 3 hot men ... and get regular visits by their even hotter cousins. :O))) *wiggles eyebrows* Momiji, for example, is gonna totally clean up when he's older. ;O>
[info]adaliseranis wrote:
Jul. 11th, 2008 03:28 pm (UTC)
I dunno. Maybe surrounded by all that hotness, you'd become immune to it. Of course, then you'd never be able to get together with a normal guy - your standards would be way too high.
I second that comment on Momiji. When he started high school, we got that one picture of what he'll look like when he's older... yeah, he's gonna leave all the others in the dust.
[info]anjelstar76 wrote:
Jul. 11th, 2008 03:44 pm (UTC)
I don't think I could EVER become immune to all that hotness. It would be nightly visits with "Rosy Palm and her Five Sisters" if you know what I mean. *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* Y'know ... just to be SANE! ;O)) But ... I think one's standards would only increase if all those hot men showed an interest. ;O) And in Tohru's case, that's probably true. Heh. ;O))

I don't know if you've read volumes 19 and 20 of the Manga ... but we already start to see how VERY hot Momiji is going to be ... *wiggles eyebrows*
[info]adaliseranis wrote:
Jul. 11th, 2008 03:57 pm (UTC)
I've read the entire series, but that was a year or two ago, so while I was pretty sure we got to see Momiji like that, I couldn't remember when. I've just started rereading it, which is why that one scene came immediately to mind.

I think I'd like to test the immunity theory. Purely for research purposes, you understand. I have no ulterior motive (like being surrounded by a ton of hot guys for a long time) what so ever. Really.
[info]anjelstar76 wrote:
Jul. 11th, 2008 05:42 pm (UTC)
Well, I only started getting into it a few years ago or so when I got the 4 DVDs (which do not go into the kind of detail that the managa do). So there were some surprises for me. ;O))

I would also like to test the immunity theory. Please and thank you! ;O} As for ulterior motive ........ I plead the 5th! ^__^;;
[info]adaliseranis wrote:
Jul. 11th, 2008 07:52 pm (UTC)
Yeah, my housemates a couple years ago (three guys, but unfortunately not Sohmas) got me hooked on the anime. And then I went and read the manga, which was... not what I was expecting, actually. It's got a lot more detail, yes, but it's also a lot darker. The anime is pretty light-hearted, especially in comparison. But different is good ^_^

Hmm... don't think we have the fifth here. Dangit. Oh well, it would be worth it.
[info]anjelstar76 wrote:
Jul. 11th, 2008 11:15 pm (UTC)
My first anime addiction was/is Sailor Moon. :O)) Hehe. That's where it all began really. The OBSESSION!

Yes, the manga IS a lot darker. Although, you must recall that the anime started to get a little darker in the last DVD. *nods* *nods* I still can't watch the last three episodes without cringing ... especially the last episode.

*is luck to be able to Plead the 5th*
*grin*

But I don't mind telling you my ulterior motive would be to eventually seduce one of them ... or two ... or three ... or ... well ... you understand what I'm saying, right? ~__^
[info]adaliseranis wrote:
Jul. 12th, 2008 12:49 am (UTC)
Absolutely. I would completely share your ulterior motive. Actually... nothing ulterior about it. It would be my one and only, completely honest motivation. No need for subterfuge - just bring it on!

Yeah, the anime does get a bit darker, but really only in comparison to itself. But the same thing happens in the manga, so... (I'm not sure if you're reading ahead of the official releases, so I'm stopping). Either way, the anime totally lacks Shigure's scheming. You definitely don't get that scene with Hatori, where he says, "I'm probably the most dangerous of them all." (Actually, I really wish I could find that scene in the official translation, because it's really, really ambiguous in the scans.)

I got started with Naruto. I resisted for months before I caved. *sigh* By the time Fruits Basket came along, I was totally lost.
[info]anjelstar76 wrote:
Jul. 12th, 2008 01:20 am (UTC)
Okay, okay. No subterfuge. That is my driving force as well: to SEDUCE THEM ALL! *muahahhahaahaaa* >:O))

Nope. I'm not reading ahead of the releases, so don't give anything away. I'm only up to volume 20 which I got just last week. :O)) And yeah. Shigure is SUCH a schemer in the manga! I couldn't believe it! O__o I kept trying to figure out how that kind of personality resembles a loyal dog. *scratches head* I still can't figure it out. ^__^; And I'm assuming I'll understand what you mean bout Hatori when the volume 21 comes out ... yes? :O))

From Sailor Moon ... I went to Card Captor Sakura ... :O) I have that entire series on DVD as well (just like Sailor Moon). I have quite the collection now ... as well as a nice collection of manga ... my favorite being Yaoi manga ... :OD))
[info]adaliseranis wrote:
Jul. 12th, 2008 03:11 am (UTC)
The scene with Hatori is from chapter 16 (volume 3). That's part of why I referenced it - there's absolutely no way it could be spoiler-ish. Anyway, maybe they have a different view of dogs in Japan? You know, like Western dragons are normally destructive (eating maidens and all that) but Eastern dragons are benevolent (although Hatori can eat me, if he wants).

I pretty much gave up on anime. I just don't have the attention span (but then, I can't make it more than half way through most movies). Shonen especially - you get in a chapter of the manga what takes two episodes, and I can read it in half the time. But when it's really different from the manga, it's definitely worth it.

But mostly, I just read shojo. Yay for romance and fluff!
[info]anjelstar76 wrote:
Jul. 12th, 2008 11:56 am (UTC)
Ah! Chapter 16! I will have to go back and re-read that to get the reference. :O)) I do recall (vaguely) him saying something like that ... but I didn't recall him doing anything really "dangerous" to anyone. So ... I may not have understood what he was getting at.

Do they have a different view of dogs in Japan?? I certainly hope not. I thought it was universal all over the world that "dog is Man's best friend" ... or maybe ... it's only here in the west? Hmmm .... *ponders* And yeah, Westerners do perceive dragons as "evil". I think they ROCK! I was born in the year of the dragon ... AND ... I have a dragon tattoo on my back. :O) I love dragons. Maybe that's why I, too, find Hatori to be absolutely SEXY ... and very manly. :O) *RAWR* He can eat me any time! :OD))

I'm a couch potato ... so I have a pretty decent attention span when it comes to watching things on television. :O)

And don't get me wrong. I like Yaoi with romance in it, too ... but I gotta have the sex. *wiggles eyebrows*
[info]adaliseranis wrote:
Jul. 12th, 2008 06:36 pm (UTC)
I'm replying over here, because that thread was starting to look silly. I mostly replied through email and didn't notice, but... Definite flaw in LJ's formatting, not collapsing comments when they start to do that. Anyway...

I definitely read yaoi for the sex, and shonen for the hitting stuff. With a few brilliant exceptions (Skip Beat, Fruits Basket, etc) I read shojo just for the predictable story lines and silliness. It's like brain candy. (Yaoi is another sort of candy ~_~ )

I have no idea if they have a different perception of dogs in Japan. Korea and China, I'm pretty sure it's a 'yes'. But Japan... I don't know enough about it, but in some ways they seem more open to embracing Western culture. Would have to ask someone who's more familiar with it, I guess...

I missed being a dragon by two weeks *pouts* On the other hand, I'm a rabbit (yay Momiji!) so that's okay.

Chapter 16 confused me too, a bit, but I think that's because the translation wasn't... it was readable, but any subtleties to the conversation were lost. If you can figure out what was going on there, I'd love to know.
[info]anjelstar76 wrote:
Jul. 12th, 2008 08:30 pm (UTC)
Yeah. I was noticing that each successive comment started getting narrower and narrower. *sticks tongue out at LJ* I think you have to have over a certain number of comments before it starts collapsing them.

It's really funny ... when I read a romance/sex manga that's hetero, I'm never impacted the way I am when I read yaoi. *rawr* *grin* I love the yaoi candy. It's my favorite flavor! *snickers* I don't read fighting manga. It's usually all relationship based. :O))

Shigure is definitely more likable in the anime. Fun loving and mischievous ... just like a puppy! *LOL* In the book ... to me ... he resembles something that's more cunning ... maybe a wolf? Or a fox? I'm hoping that he'll redeem himself later on ... but ... I dunno if he will. *pout*

Yay for rabbits! ;O)

I'm just gonna have to reread chapter 16 ... maybe even several times. It might be something like Pulp Fiction - gotta watch it several times before you get it. *snickers* I was hoping you'd be able to tell ME what was going on there. HAHA!
[info]adaliseranis wrote:
Jul. 12th, 2008 09:01 pm (UTC)
Well, I think Shigure's main point in ch16 is that he doesn't mind playing the bad guy if it means he can accomplish a good end - or what he thinks is a good end. That's sort of redeeming, isn't it? But it all seems sort of muddled to me, so maybe I'm imagining it. Perhaps I should go find an official translation.... *ponders* The problem is, manga is still a fairly specialized market around here (which you would think would mean there were smaller shops that carried it...) The big ones like Indigo carry it, but I don't shop there if I can avoid it. I very much dislike that store and all it's subsidiaries.

I have no idea why yaoi candy is so much better, but it definitely is. Maybe the artist finally focuses on making the guys look hot too, instead of just giving the girl big boobs?

Yay for rabbits indeed. I'll take Momiji as my own playboy bunny any day ^___^
[info]anjelstar76 wrote:
Jul. 13th, 2008 02:34 am (UTC)
Hmm ... maybe you're right about Shigure. I mean, I never got a sense that he was a bad guy or anything ... just ... selfish maybe? Doing whatever it takes to get to the end that he truly wants? *ponders*

I buy all of my manga on Amazon.com. :O}

I take back a bit of what I said in my last response. There is ONE hetero manga that does have an effect on me. And that's "Manga Sutra". Have you read it? I eagerly await volume 3. :O)) But getting back to yaoi, maybe it's my inner raging voyeur ... but I love it when I read manga and they actually show genitals. I wanna see it ALL! ^__^ And let's face it ... the men are HOT ... even when the guy is the uke. :O))
[info]adaliseranis wrote:
Jul. 13th, 2008 03:44 am (UTC)
I figure it ain't really hentai if they don't show that. But considering the random stuff that shows up in normal manga... I couldn't believe it when I found out Indigo sold Battle Royale in the kids' section. Did they figure that just because it had pictures...? No, I haven't read Manga Sutra, but now I'm wondering where I could get my hands on it.

Amazon helps, except that I move around every four or five months, and I don't always know my next address ahead of time. I've definitely had items arrive the day I was due to leave, because they took so long being shipped. Stressful, that.

Yeah, maybe Shigure's selfish or driven or something... don't know if that redeems him, but then again, I don't see him doing anything that's really bad. Maybe he was actually manipulating people, and I missed it because the dialogue didn't translate well? *ponders* Maybe library has relevant copy so I can get my hands on it in the next day or two. Although mostly they just carry YuGiOh and Card Captor Sakura and the other big ones.
[info]anjelstar76 wrote:
Jul. 13th, 2008 01:42 pm (UTC)
I just don't think some bookstores realize how graphic manga can get. They know nothing about the series, so they end up putting it with the "regular" comics or something. But then again, kids today are so desenitized to violence due to violence that's portrayed in cartoons ... they probably figured no one would care.

I loves me some Amazon. How come you move around so frequently, if you don't mind my asking?

I think everyone is selfish ... it's just as Tohru said early on (I know she said that in the anime, but I'm trying to recall if she said that in the manga). :O) I think Shigure is manipulating people ... or maybe just one person in particular (Akito) ... and everyone around him is a means to that end ... maybe? That's just a guess on my part. I'm still trying to figure out if he really is in love with Akito or not ... *ponders* ...

I highly recommend Manga Sutra. :O) Do you ever go to Tokyopop? You can read snippets of it on that site.
[info]adaliseranis wrote:
Jul. 13th, 2008 03:51 pm (UTC)
I don't go to Tokyopop that often, actually, because my general response when I'm there is, 'drat you, Tokyopop, I was just getting into it and then the sample stopped! Damn you and your horribly effective marketing technique!' And then I spend too much time trying to get my hands on said manga, and not enough time doing things I should be doing instead. Am far, far too easily sent off on tangents...

University moves me around. I'm there eight months a year, but our mail gets stopped over Christmas, and they don't forward anything over the summer (with five thousand kids in residence, that's sort of understandable). As long as they have stuff in stock, it works, but I've ordered stuff in January and not had it arrive until April, because they never got it in stock. It's really only a problem for the more obscure stuff but, unfortunately, most manga seems to qualify as that.

I can understand the desensitization to violence, but Battle Royale has some very graphic sex scenes - some non-con - as well (and intestines... I'm not sure anyone can be desensitized to intestines). Maybe I was just really surprised that it didn't come in a plastic wrapping, the way most mature comics do.

I figure Shigure's in love with Akito... probably. At least, he's trying to do what's best for her... or maybe just break the curse. Hard to tell, sometimes... *ponders* He's a bit of an enigma, that's for sure. But if he is doing all this for her or for the other curses ones, even though it makes him into a bad guy, would that make him sorta selfless? It would be interesting if that was the case... he'd be a 'bad guy', but also a 'good guy' because of it.
[info]anjelstar76 wrote:
Jul. 13th, 2008 06:46 pm (UTC)
Hehe. I don't go to Tokyopop very often either for that same reason. But I do get the occasional newsletters. And that ... "coerces" me into going there to check things out. Luckily for me, there aren't many manga that inspire me to go get them. Unfortunately, when I'm feeling "randy" find myself on Amazon.com looking at the yaoi manga selections, and I find myself buying more. *snickers*

Why do the universities move you around? Are you a teacher? A temp or something? If you don't mind my asking ...

Ahhh ... yes. I thought most manga was wrapped in plastic. Heck, I've received some Fruits Baskets manga wrapped in plastic ... nothing terribly graphic going on inside. And yeah ... I don't think anyone can be desensitized to intestines ... *ugh* ... :OX ...

Shigure has a weird way of helping people, if that is, in fact, what he's attempting. Of course, Akito is SO messed up ... he's probably trying some sort of shock tactic on her. And that was another surprise as I was going through the series - Akito being a woman. Although, it wasn't as shocking as it could of been because someone kinda gave it away. :O\ ... BUT ... I try to see it in the Anime, but ... there's no real ambiguity with the anime because of the scenes with him wearing a robe/kimono and it's undone along his chest ... no breasts. :O\ Hehe!

But yes ... Shigure is an enigma in the manga. He's really a sweet guy in the anime ... though he does tend to have a bass-ackwards way of showing he cares even then. :O)) And he is a bit of a perv, too. *snickers* Before I started on the manga, I always wondered if Shigure was bisexual. :O)) I don't see Shigure as a "bad guy" ... as one would typically define a "bad guy" ... but he's got some interesting ways of doing things ... I'll give him that. I'm hoping to see some redemption of some kind going on. Yup yup!
[info]adaliseranis wrote:
Jul. 13th, 2008 10:20 pm (UTC)
Me, I'm a student, but the university I go to is a looong way from home. If I traveled in a different direction, I could make it to Texas in the same amount of time. Stupid giant country.

The few comic/manga store I've been in had lots of their stuff wrapped in plastic, and everything that had adult content (or was a limited edition...) But I mentioned it to someone who worked there, and they were like, 'well, we just stick it on the shelves'. Right. Because the giant 'M for Mature' sticker on the front isn't a clue. *sigh* Some people.

I think I read somewhere that Akito actually is a guy in the anime, because having him/her be a girl made the story too convoluted for the length and audience they wanted for the anime. It really, really confused me for a long time. And when I was wandering around FF.net, I kept finding stuff by people who'd only seen the anime. There were a couple whose stories were based on 'One day, Akito got gender-swapped. Now he's a girl - what's going to happen?' I always have trouble writing about Akito for that reason - it's hard to know which pronoun to use when I don't want to spoil it for anyone...

Of course Shigure is bisexual. I mean, he's dated girls, but he went to an all boy's school with Hatori and Ayame. And then there's the whole Akito thing, which I'd say is pretty solid evidence. As for redemption... I never read the last two or three chapters, so I don't actually know. I guess it would depend what you counted as redemption, in any case.
[info]anjelstar76 wrote:
Jul. 14th, 2008 12:48 pm (UTC)
Ah. Sometimes I miss being a student - interacting with folks my own age. But I don't miss taking tests and doing final projects. Nope!

Like I said. The people who are working in the stores more often than not know absolutely NOTHING about the manga they put on their shelves. :Op

Akito is a guy in the anime. There's no doubt about that. :O) People in the US are still so uptight about anything to do with sex, gender, sexual identity, etc. So ... it doesn't surprise me that they took the easy way out. When I was wandering around the internet looking for fanfiction, and I saw someone writing Aktio as a woman, I was like wtf? Why'd they go and do that? It wasn't until later than I found out that he really is a woman in the manga. Hehe. But knowing this has given me fuel for a story I started a while ago and was majorly stuck on. So ... hehe. :O) Good news for me!

I always thought Ayame was gay. But when I saw the anime and how he interacted with his assistant ... I reassessed things. I always thought (before seeing that) that he was in love with Hatori. :O)) He looks up to him so much and everything, and does whatever he says without argument. But then when I saw how he interacted with Mine ... I was like ... "Hmmmm ..." To see it in the manga, I was quite pleased. And Yuki's reaction to finding out ... very cute. :O))

I guess I'll have to wait until the last volumes come out before I'll be able to find out. Of course, I've heard people say that the last volume left some things in the air, and that irritated people. So ... I hope it at least answers some of the MAJOR things.
[info]adaliseranis wrote:
Jul. 14th, 2008 01:38 pm (UTC)
However much is left unresolved at the end of Fruits Basket, it can't be worse than one series I just finished. Someone puts a gun to the main character's head. No idea who. Don't know if he shoots. Almost zero chance of another book coming out. Arg! So frustrating.

Well, Akito is a guy in the Japanese version of the anime too, so maybe it's not just about close-minded Americans. Could just be plot-simplification all around. Very unlike One Piece (don't know if you watch it). One of the characters habitually smokes - they replaced all his cigarettes with lollipops. All guns were removed, one woman wasted away in jail instead of being shot, and... yeah, the list goes on. Someone else has the US licence now, and it's going better, but still.. that's just silly.

I don't think anyone's gay in Fruits Basket canon. Actually, come to that, outside of yaoi and shonen-ai, I don't think there's many characters that are gay at all. Very unlike North America, where the fad seems to be for the leading girl to have a gay side-kick (who tends to be a more interesting character than her, sadly, but supporting characters almost always are, I find). Either way, I'm pretty sure the Japanese are considerably more tight-laced than us about certain things - I mean, we only see a small chunk of the culture through manga and anime. It's all kind of a pity, really, because it means that when everyone finally pairs off, nothing can be done with all that beautiful build-up between Yuki and Haru. How can a mangaka create that and not exploit it? *shakes head* Sacrilige, that's what it is.
[info]anjelstar76 wrote:
Jul. 14th, 2008 05:16 pm (UTC)
Looks like LJ is narrowing our responses down again. Hehe!

Ugh. That ending sounds so much like a cop out! >:O( Bah.

Isn't the anime the same animation for Japanese and English-spoken? I always thought that was the case. Is that not the case? I watched the first 4 or 5 episodes of One Piece when it was on Saturday mornings (back when I still watched Saturday morning cartoons) ... but ... I haven't watched it since then. It seemed like a really interesting series. It might be something I might try to get the entire series of when it's all done. But that's for far in the future ... when I'm not so strapped for cash. I'll tell you an anime action series I love watching: "Outlaw Star". :O))

Before I read the manga, I would have bet money that Ayame and Ritsu were both gay (no one else though) ... although Haru has bisexual leanings (he admitted that Yuki was his "first love" after all). ;O)) I didn't really see anyone else as that ... except maybe Shigure (being bisexual). ;O)) But then again, he's always going on and on about "High school girls ... high school girls ... all for me ... high school girls" ... *LOL*

I think the Japanese are probably more open about sex than Western cultures ... I mean, love hotels REALLY exist in Japan, don't they? That's pretty progressive. ;O} Granted, I will admit that the Japanese are probably more private about their relationships, but ... I don't see them as being more tight-laced than North American cultures.

Now then ... getting back to anime series ... what series has a female lead with a gay side-kick??

And as for Yuki and Haru ... well, we know in the manga (once Rin is introduced) ... that Haru is deeply in love with her. So ... I can't really see anything happening between him and Yuki simply because of that. :O)) I think he teases Yuki just to get a rise out of him. *snickers*

But ... go ahead. Exploit away! :OD))
[info]adaliseranis wrote:
Jul. 14th, 2008 07:44 pm (UTC)
I haven't checked - my work quasi-blocks LJ, so I just do replies through email, and don't bother checking what it looks like. Silly LJ *shakes head* but I'll forgive it, I suppose.

Yes, the ending was a total cop out. I'd like to think she didn't want the ideal ending, but that... bitch. That was just mean. I dunno, maybe she was only contracted for four, and wanted a new contract? Still... bitch. (I'm sort of annoyed by this, as you can tell.)

I'm pretty sure the Japanese are a lot stricter about things, like corporate hierarchies. Your boss is your boss, kind of thing, whereas here... it can be a bit foggier, in some ways. And the big deal they make about first kisses makes me think that maybe PDA's and stuff are kind of frowned on... or maybe that's just some weird shojo manga convention.

I have no problems with Rin and Haru together. I just... I admit, I sort of have a problem with everyone being paired up by the end. I mean, somewhere in this world there's got to be someone who doesn't find a mate and pair off for a happily-ever-after. (Wait... I think maybe one person doesn't? Still. Insufficient un-pairage!) But you're right, Haru's definitely just doing it for the reaction. Everyone needs a hobby.

I can't think of a single anime with a female lead that has a gay sidekick. If you want a novel or show from North America, I can name several. But that was my point - it doesn't show up in the Japanese media (at least, not that I've seen).

Obviously, Shigure has some fetishes. I don't imagine he cares who fulfills them.
[info]anjelstar76 wrote:
Jul. 15th, 2008 01:30 am (UTC)
*shakes fist at LJ for narrowing each successive response until there's only one letter per line*

I hate it when authors or creators of anime or a manga totally cop out in th ending. It irritates me to know end. But at the same time, it gives plenty of fodder for fanfiction writers to use. :O))) So ... on the bright side, it's probably someone's inspiration! :OD))

Yeah. The Japanese probably don't go for that whole PDA thing ... but then again, I don't go for it either. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind seeing people holding hands, or having their arms around each other's waist ... or even the occasional kiss ... but anything more than that - find a room! :O) Japanese people are very traditional I think. The youth ... they're probably more progressive ... but ... *shrug* Then again, I've never been to Japan. I'd love to visit though.

*raises hand* I'm probably gonna be an old maid ... if that makes you feel any better about people getting paired off. Teehee! Of course, I'm not in the manga ... so ... :O)) *snickers* *tries to think who wouldn't get paired off* Maybe ... Momiji? That's really the only one I could think of. :O))

Yeah. Give me a novel or a show from North America where the female lead has a gay sidekick. :O) *snickers*

Yes. Shigure has some fetishes. Oh yes indeed!
[info]adaliseranis wrote:
Jul. 15th, 2008 02:09 am (UTC)
Stanford Blatch (Sex in the City). Corny (Holly Black's 'Tithe'). Marc St. James (Ugly Betty - although he's the sidekick to the (female) villain). If not Will then definitely Jack (Will and Grace).

Fanfiction of that series... oh, please, no... have mercy. It's well written, and interesting, and the plot isn't interrupted by silly teen-age drama... *sigh* I jinxed it, didn't I?

I'm already a spinster ^_^ "...a woman or girl of marriageable age who has been unwilling or unable to marry, and therefore has no children..." Yep, that's me. Darned.

Sadly, I, too, have never been to Japan. But I imagine it's changing, just like everywhere else. So who knows what they think? Crazy folks, coming up with anime and sushi like they do... I approves muchly.
[info]anjelstar76 wrote:
Jul. 15th, 2008 02:03 pm (UTC)
Ahhh. Yes. Definitely Sex and the City ... and I wasn't going to mention Will and Grace since Jack pretty much steals the show. ;O) *snickers*

Yup. You jinked it. :O)

Yup. That definition of Spinster is totally me. *nods* *nods*

A coworker of mine has been to Japan for a business trip. He really enjoyed the region he went to. :O) Oh yes. Any place that can come up with anime, manga and sushi ... two thumbs way, WAY up in my book. :OD))
[info]adaliseranis wrote:
Jul. 15th, 2008 02:15 pm (UTC)
Japan - Producing 78% of the Worlds Weird Shit Since 1952 Demotivator
But we love them muchly anyway.

I'm sure I mentioned that the gay sidekick is always a more interesting character than the female lead... on that list, the only one I'm not sure about is Marc St. James, and that's because he has some serious competition (not just from Betty).

Two things: first, it occurred to me that our discussion ala Ayame - I actually wrote a fic to that effect about a year ago. I have no idea why it isn't on LJ yet, but I shall be throwing it up tonight, if you're interested.

Second, the lengthly discussion re: Shigure. I are a very bad girl - as in, R bad. May I blame you when the newest fic has been sufficiently edited to allow for posting?
[info]anjelstar76 wrote:
Jul. 15th, 2008 02:21 pm (UTC)
*snickers at the image*

Yup. You did mention the thing about the gay sidekick being more interesting than the lead. And I always thought Grace was too damn skinny (from Will and Grace). You could see her BONES!! *shudders*

1st: I'd love to read your Ayame fic! :O))

2nd: Yes, you may blame me all you like for your newest fic. *snickers*
[info]anjelstar76 wrote:
Jul. 15th, 2008 02:24 pm (UTC)
P.S. I added you as one of my LJ friends. :O)
[info]lunnera wrote:
Jul. 14th, 2008 05:50 pm (UTC)
Shii-chan, you bastard! This is one of the greatest Furuba fics I've ever read. You rock.
[info]eternalsayonara wrote:
Jul. 16th, 2008 12:09 am (UTC)
Wonderful. <3

She thinks that his shop must do so well because what Ayame sells is romance, and there is nothing and no one more romantic than Ayame.

Ahahahaha! What a great line. XD

Hatori is sexy.

*nods vigorously* :3

He didn't mind in the least: you were only seventeen once, and Tohru-chan looked so cute when she was trying not to think perverted thoughts.

Oh, Shigure. XDDD

Really great work. I loved Tohru's thoughts on all the characters and making her seem like a normal teenaged girl. ^^
[info]crypticmadness wrote:
Aug. 31st, 2008 10:39 pm (UTC)
She's a heck of a lot innocent than I would be if I saw the Sohmas naked. >__>"